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January 10th, 2010
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From amaena
Went to see Collapse tonight...

I am still depressed.

One of the things that struck me the hardest, and honestly made me the saddest was this... If you were on the titanic and you knew it was going to sink well in advance what would you do?

The movie goes on to explain that there are three types of passengers:

1) They are doe eyed and confused... "what do we do?"
2) They know what to do and start building a life boat
3) They say "this is the funking titanic it can't sink", and go get a drink from the bar


It just sort of struck me... I am #2, and I do know what to do, but am I doing everything I can to build myself a life boat? The short answer is no. I am not doing everything I can do. We have taken steps together as a couple to do things, but we are not really feverishly building either.


I guess I'm not really building a life boat - I'm kind of shoring up my section of the ship and telling people I know that we need to fix the titanic or get a new ship.

I'm doing a little to make sure I have a life ring though, I suppose.

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From:wererogue
Date:January 10th, 2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
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I guess my life ring metaphor isn't really small enough for what I'm doing - basically I have half a plank to hold on to.

I agree that I have no idea of what would be needed to save everyone. A new economy? Splitting into micro-economies?

I think killing usury (and with it, interest) would be a good way to help future-proof whatever we end up with, but to fix what we have? No idea at all.
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From:rumor_esq
Date:January 10th, 2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
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From:lupie_stardust
Date:January 10th, 2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
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I'm a "The eventual complete cataclysmic sinking is inevitable and I'm fine with that. I'm probably not even going to live long enough to see it sink, but building a life-boat is kinda fun, also I like jumping on cardboard boxes" person.

Does that makes me type 4, 5, or 59067?
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From:wererogue
Date:January 10th, 2010 03:34 pm (UTC)
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I am about 90% convinced that you will live long enough to see another major collapse of our economic and possibly environmental systems ;)

I used to not care about my fate, but now I have people I care about to support, which I need to survive to accomplish.
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From:lupie_stardust
Date:January 10th, 2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
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Oh, it's not that I don't care: I do care - it's my world and life - but collapse is inevitable and pretty unpreventable on a large scale because there are other people involved. And other people will always balls up your plans, even if those plans will benefit them, too.

I hope I do live long enough to witness another major disintegration in a social system. I've been enjoying this preview of the interrupted Gulf Stream, too. It has a nice apocalyptic feel to it. I doubt I'll live long enough to see the total end-of-all-things, though.
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From:wererogue
Date:January 10th, 2010 06:25 pm (UTC)
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I didn't mean to imply that you don't care, sorry. It's more that my focus now is not on trying to save everyone, which would always have been (a) important to me and (b) as you say, doomed to failure; but instead on reducing the impact on myself, my family and my friends, where once I probably wouldn't have tried.

The ship for me is not the earth or the human race - just the global economy, and I find it very plausible that it will become too holey and patched-over to persevere within our lifetimes.
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From:ladyiolanthe
Date:January 10th, 2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
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I haven't seen Collapse, and probably won't get to see it in theatres, but I will watch it someday!

Does it touch at all on the collapse of other societies throughout history (Romans, Mochi, etc.) and how, in spite of that, humans have managed to hang in there?
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From:amaena
Date:January 10th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
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no, not really at all. It basically had one diagram... the population of humans on the earth over the course of our lifetime... and he said... we have 6.5 billion people that are only here because we have oil, and its reasonable to believe when oil becomes scarce, those people will disappear, and that the changing period from collapse to being ok would be amazing if it only lasted 20 years, but chances are it may last 50 or 100 or more.

He's not like... everyone will die, oh noes, just... many people will die when the earth and our way of life is no longer sustainable, and during that period, its gonna suck.
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